Expander Pellets Grrrrrr!!!

Discussion in 'Matchfishing Chat (The Nuts)' started by Bream Brain, Oct 23, 2017.

  1. Bream Brain

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    What do you find the are best pellets at the moment?
    Looking for a decent 4mm (gave up with 6mms year ago)
    want something that doesn't split. Just opened 2 bags of Ringer cool water 4mm's both bags the same, had to bin em.
    Just seems to me that they aren't what they used to be, cool waters use to stay like rubber even if you kept them in water during a match, now they split after minutes, 1 pump, 2 pumps or no pumps makes no difference.

    Thoughts please?
     
  2. royals4theprem

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    Smithy, I find it's mostly down to how you prep them. I use the Ringers pellets in 4mm and 6mm and have no issues with them. I pump them the night before unless I forget but on the morning before you leave the house if fine too. I pump them, drain all the water off then put in a sarnie bag, then I add just enough water to cover the pellets and tie the bag right down on them so they just have a little bit of room to expand. If im doing them the night before I stick them in the fridge, if not then just throw them in my bait bag, not sure it really matters.

    When the match starts I just nip a little hole in the bag and just take out a few at the time so they dont go rock hard and you've always got fresh ones throughout the day. I've been doing them like this a while now and im finding they stay on lovely, can even miss a few strikes sometimes. I pump them loads too, dont have to worry about over pumping.
     
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    Used the Spotted fin twice now and the 4s are excellent.
     
  4. Colin_K

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    Always liked Bait tec 4mm they also used to have the best 6mm but my last bag of them have been a bit soft.
     
  5. Bream Brain

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    Thanks guys.
    Sam I'm not worried about how to prep them, been fishing expanders for more years than I care to remember.
    And have gone through all the fads of what to do and what not to do.
    If you have a good batch don't waste em, make em last. my original batch that I have just run out of was probably 4 or 5 years old.
    new ones seem poop!
     
  6. GeorgeT

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    This subject has been done to death.

    the basic facts now are most manufacturers are the same, great when you get a good bag from a good batch, poor to very poor when you get a bad bag.

    all one can do, is chuck the bad bag, and keep trying.
     
  7. Marcus Page

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    Ive got the same problem Smiffy, used my last ringers coolwaters up, and cant find a decent 4mm now, bought some bait tec ones that turned out to be a right parcel.
    Been oiling mine lately and they will last a match easy, but for on the bank prep cant find anything that doesnt split, dissolve or fall apart after 3hrs.

    Heard the weekend that there may be some good ones about to be released, so will let you know.
     
  8. justin case

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    ringers koi are very good at the moment sensas for 4mm but still feel a lot is to do with prep some are downright pants though you can see if they are going to be any good before you open the bag
     
  9. Bream Brain

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    seems like we are all in the same boat then, might have to buy a bag of everything in the shop!
    bought a bag of a brand I don't normally use last week and they shouldn't be selling em they were
    that bad, 1 pump tie em up in a bag fridge overnight, mush in the morning!!! straight I the bin along
    with my £3.50!
    Keep me posted Marcus please Ta
     
  10. buygoodtackle

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    I have stopped pumping mine. I now simply put the pellets in one of those very small food containers with the clasp shut lids (Wilkos) cover with water the night before and leave in kitchen (not in fridge). At bankside they are just right. (Been using Baittec 4 and 6mm)
     
  11. Oggy

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    Why is everyone binning bad batches of pellets? Take them back to the shop and get a refund. The manufacturers wont know anything is wrong is you don't tell them.

    Personally, I've used Baitech for a few years and a new bag was no good, so tried VDE also no good, now I'm on Bag Em and they seem ok. I tend to do them in a bag and I did a test batch the other night, left them in the fridge over night and then put them in water. After 2 days they are still quite firm and spongy but there are a few splitters which I'm alright with within reason.

    Its down to pot luck really and buying a few bags when you hit a good batch.
     
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    I use the Van den Eynde RS Elite Marines but I have a large stash of them from before the packaging changed. Both the 6's and 4's have been brilliant but I have not purchased any for years and don't know if the current ones are as good.
     
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    Hi Paul, how do you tell as to whether they'll be ok or not by looking at them in the bag what do you look for? Thanks

    I've had very little luck with most I've tried, the Ringers I've got and have had for a few yrs now, seem to hold up ok but its hit or miss one or two are ok then the next ones are not usually when the fish start biting typical, its like waiting for a bite all day then just has you're pouring a cuppa the tip goes round lol.
     
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    I think we should test him, I can take a photo of some good ones and some others that split :highly_amused:
     
  16. Rick Baxter

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    A few years back I found stock of the original, original ringers 6mm pellets in the old style packaging. Will add pic tomorrow. Bought the lot. They are perfect barrel shape (like coppens hard 6mm) and pump perfectly.

    For 4mm and 2mm use bait tech and must have got lucky as they are fine too. I don't pump too many at a time and now just leave them so they are just wet rather than leave them covered in water all match.

    Pump on bank and usually last thing i remember to do before the all-in...
     
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    I must have been lucky then because prepping them the way I do ive never had these issues and ive tried probably 4 or 5 different brands now
     
  18. epicentre

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    ive had the same problem with all the 4mm ive used lately. one thing I have found that helps is to add a bit of oil to the pellets once you have pumped them and taken them out of the water. They soak it up and it toughens them up no end. I originally did it to flavour them and found this was an added bonus. give it a go
     
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    I haven't a clue what to look for I usually give up trying to fish with them to be honest, that said I haven't put a line in the water for a few yrs.
     
  21. justin case

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    The good ones don't cut properly when extruded as they are more fibrous, that's what holds them together when they are all nice and perfect and cleanly cut in the bag they are mostly tosh and only good for your pond, I don't know if its more fishmeal or less but i can tell from the bag if they are going to be crap or not and when i see good ones like i did in oakwood 2 years ago I bought 10 bags of 6 and 10 bags of 4mm Sensas, its only recently I have run out of 6mm's looked at the ringers Koi and they screamed out good so i bought a load and they are superb,

    I would suggest with all expanders do the way Steve ringer does them and you won't go wrong

    Also those that throw them away are off their heads grind them up you won't find a better skimmer groundbait
     
  22. fisherking

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    Cheers Paul, got to sort what I've got they're a few yrs old though, but if bag not open should be ok I guess.
     
  23. Rick Baxter

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    Just got a bag of the ringers out my stock.

    As can see these are pre next generation, cool water or any of the other newer variants.

    These 6mm are actually very dark in colour compared to the more recent ones i've seen.

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  24. Mr Bald

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    Most shop bought ones are now cack and disintegrate when pumped.

    Now i don't pump them - simply get to the peg and throw a handful in a bait box of water - perfect by the time i start and just need a squeeze when putting on the hook . They do go mushy about two thirds of the match in so halfway through i just place a handful in another box .

    Only ones that keep well after a pump are the new Ringers Koi 6mm. I've pm's Steve to see if he will do a 4mm ,

    Any
     
  25. Oggy

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    I checked my bag of Bag Em 4mm last night and there are 2 distinct colours in the same bag.

    The ones I bagged 3 days ago and then left in water are still going strong though a bit of colour has leaked into the water but the pellets are fine. Off to buy some more bags before they get a new batch in.